I met my neighbour HH at 11.00 and walked a short distance to a cafe we've decided we like, after trying a couple of others. We left at 1.00, so what did we talk about for two hours? Maybe one hour was on varied topics.
She has a friend of a similar age to her who has been her friend since her early teenage years. The two families all know each other very well, including their respective children. Her friend and her friend's husband are rich, in my opinion. They own a house in an expensive beach side suburb, which has been named the skin cancer capital of Australia, or was it just Victoria. No matter, and they also own a holiday house in Portsea. Without elaborating, it is clear the wife, HH's life long friend is being mentally abused by her husband. She is never right. She hasn't dressed properly. Her hair is not done nicely. Her cooking skills are no longer up to scratch. She needs to be grateful that she has him to look after things for her. And, does she need to talk to HH almost every day on the phone.
You've got the picture? If she challenges him, he throws his hands up in the air and then says, it is her fault for not getting things right. What is the modern term? I am thinking whiteanting, which kind of describes it. Is it ghosting? I'll remember it later (I did, gaslighting). But HH's friend puts up with it, for the sake of her grown up children and, I am sure, her own material comfort.
Not thinking my own anecdotes would be of any help, I recounted some personal experiences of similar behaviour and HH suddenly became enlightened. I did not say so directly, but it is some kind of raw jealousy. There you go. You may be very rich, but that doesn't make you immune from spousal abuse, and mental abuse can really wear partners down over a long period. I expect EC is quite conversant with hearing this kind of stuff in her volunteer role. The best that can be said is that at least he is not physically violent. No reminder bruising for him to see the next day.
That all sounds quite grim, but it was only a small part of what we talked about. About one hour was of exchanging tales of bureaucracy. HH's husband has severe dementia, is in care and no longer remembers her. So while not literally, she too has lost her life partner. Many things are in his name, and she constantly has to battle for her own identity. She had me shrieking with laughter heartily laughing at her attempt to get an appointment at her bank, with phones not being answered but promising a call return, that never happens. Her son who lives interstate generally manages her investments, shares and self managed super fund monies, but there are some things she has to do in person. "Son, I've found where the bank CEO is based. I am going to go there and demand to see him." "Mother, that is not a good idea". It is the duty of parents to embarrass their children, hey Debby.
Her son asked HH if she used her landline anymore. She replied no. He told her to unplug it then cancel it. Over Facetime he told her what to turn off and what to unplug. Then he told her to cancel the phone service. She tried hard, with a number of calls, but it was the same story, the account was in her husband's name. At least I can produce Ray's death certificate. Her husband is still alive. She wondered why she was going to all this trouble for what was costing her $5 a month. Eventually, after being asked to send a selfie from her phone, she handed authority over to her son to deal with the matter.
I know most of you are financially comfortable, and although I receive a part old age pension, I too consider myself financially comfortable. However, I am quite aware that is not all of you and I keep that in mind when writing blog posts.
HH's friend who I earlier wrote about is very wealthy. When HH mentioned it cost $400,000 to get her husband into care, which I think is a bond, plus a daily cost, and if she needs to go into care, it will cost her $800,000, I realised she is very wealthy and beyond my league.
"I want to leave money to my children". "HH, they are successful in their own right, they don't need the money. It is far better you turn on your heating and cooling when needed."
I do understand her thinking as being a person who is cautious with money, as I have been. But one thing Ray and I never stinted on was heating and cooling in our homes. There is no need to heat or cool the spare bedroom, so I close the door in extreme temperatures, and I don't have settings turned to high levels, but I am going to continue to ensure my home is at a comfortable temperature.
Most people don't realise they are being gaslighted until it's pointed out to them. Having a daughter who has been subject to this in two different relationships, I am only too aware of the harm it does. It goes alongside coercive control and emotional abuse.
ReplyDeleteAs for wealth - it's all relative. What we have we have worked hard for and I am aware that we are fortunate. Really rich people worry constantly that they may have to work for a living one day - to ensure that doesn't happen, they marry other rich people, but there's always someone better off!
JB, I feel bad for your daughter. I am sure you were there to support her. I understand what you are saying about control etc.
DeleteAs I say if I feel the need to be defensive, I worked a crap job, rotating shift work, for forty years. I stuck at it because of the long term benefits, of which I am now reaping in my retirement. I don't feel the need to apologise for my comfortable situation...but then I also remember I never had the costs of children, when so many have.
I don't understand the fixation on not spending what you need for comfort because of wanting to leave an inheritance. Particularly to people who don't need it. She's got her quirks, I guess.
ReplyDeleteA lot of men get into the habit of automatically criticizing. I've actually banned more than one who made that kind of comment routinely on my blog! Strangers who don't know me, but I'm wrong anyway, heh.
Boud, it is infuriating to me. I've inherited money from my mother and partner in the last year or so, which has secured my financial situation, but I am too fucking old to spend money. It will be the same for those who inherit money from me when I die. They will already be financially secure.
DeleteYou've reminded me of our late friend, who died in 2007 and I used to refer to as Dame M, the rich widow on St Kilda Hill. To her boarder, tenant and thirty year long friend, James/Jasmine, 'James, unless it is essential, I will not have another straight man in my home'.
So much here to process, Andrew. I can identify with a lot of what you have described but some of it is too close to home for me to comment.
ReplyDeleteAlso, following on from what Janice said, we both came from very humble roots but have both worked hard and saved hard all our lives for everything we now have, which somehow now seems to be a cause for feeling guilty.
JayCee, I understand what you are saying on both counts. Like us, you never had the expense of children, an extra reason to feel guilty. Have a read of Pixie's most recent post, https://unicornsfartpixiedust.blogspot.com/2025/01/looking-east.html
DeleteThank you x
DeleteIn my geriatric community practice, those who aspire to bequeath substantial sums to their offspring often find that such wealth is grievously squandered following their demise.
ReplyDeleteRoentare, give with good grace. That is you give to those to inherit, but it not your business as to how they spend the money.
DeleteSpousal abuse in any form is so very sad and unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteComfortably off is a good thing;)
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Sandra, your are correct on both counts.
DeleteAfter realising it does not add so great a percentage, we put the heating on when it is cold now. In other words, without being fabulously rich we can afford to, but the wealth inequality in the UK is now obscene.
ReplyDeleteTasker, don't worry. The gap here is extreme too, and growing. Not quite to the extent of the US though, but we are headed in that direction.
DeleteI see so many older Australians skimp and deny themselves basic comforts as they either want to leave a lot for their children or are worried about funding themselves going into nursing homes. Usually people who have unexpectantly accumulated some wealth.
ReplyDeleteJ, it really is an old person thing, isn't it. But clearly people older than I am. I don't deny myself I am perhaps a person who has 'expectantly' accumulated wealth, but I never felt like it would be enough.
DeleteYou are right. I do hear many such stories. They hurt my head and my heart and infuriate me too.
ReplyDeleteWe are certainly comfortable. And no, I don't stint on the temperature of our home. Mind you, himself would say that I DO stint on heating but that is a personal preference rather than economy.
EC, we always agreed on heating and cooling, just not quite the right temperature setting.
DeleteI have a friend who refuses to spend money (leaving it for her children who have already done very nicely from her) but then complains she can't get the pension because she has too much. She won't turn the heating on but will sit miserably rugged up in blankets. As for the bond to go into care - that is refunded upon death. They use the interest but you get the bond back. Too many people seem to think that the care facility keeps the lot and, understandably, put off considering care because ... money for the children!
ReplyDeleteSounds like HH's friend's husband is a piece of work. I wonder if he has always been like this. If not it could be a sign of early dementia.
Merlot, as I've discovered, you have to have rather a lot of money to not receive an old age pension. I say to them fuck off. You are rich. Yes, I do know about bonds. No doubt I will have to pay one if I don't die quickly. I'd like to spend my last dollar the day before I die, but that is impossible. Yes, he has always been like that but it has become worse as he has aged. It did sound a bit like angry dementia to me, but it seems not.
DeleteMeanwhile I am drawing down blinds and closing curtains to try and do without the airconditioner as much as possible. But I'm not jealous, they and you, obviously learned much earlier than I did how to manage and increase your money. I hope HH takes you advice and uses her heating and cooling when necessary. Can she get certificates from the nursing home stating that her husband is mentally unfit? That might help with banks and other things that are in his name.
ReplyDeleteRiver, I do the same with blinds etc, but still, I do freely use cooling and heating. I don't think your husband was a particularly reliable and you brought up children. HH is smart enough and on top of such things as certificates, but everywhere wants different things as proof. I've not asked her if she has power of attorney over her husband's affairs.
DeleteMy air-conditioner comes with the apartment. It makes a racket, and since I grew up without air-conditionig, I rarely turn it on. Heat is another matter altogether. THAT I grew up on!
ReplyDeleteKirk, no doubt you have heat radiators. Perhaps not too many days when you need cooling. Your cooling will no doubt be an in the wall model, ala New York.
DeleteHH friend, feel sorry for her having to put up with mental abuse.
ReplyDeleteSome people are just stingy when it comes to many things, they probably had to save and save so they continue when they get older and have money because they don't know any different. Seems to be imbedded of many peoples brains to leave enough money to their children or family. Mostly they will soon spend it, odd occasional one won't.
She has a refuge with HH if things get too bad, but her husband will know where she is.
DeleteI hope people of my age don't have quite the same attitude to money and leaving it to the kids. Like there is a generation older than. I have decided that once I leave money to people, it is theirs to waste if that's what happens.
One expert wrote that the biggest financial threat to many retirees is a fear of spending the savings they have spent a lifetime accumulating.
ReplyDeleteTP, I think that is quite correct.
DeleteWell written Andrew x
ReplyDeleteAlison in Wales x
Thanks Alison. The subject matter is difficulty and confronting for some, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.
DeleteI hope HH's friend is able to escape the unhealthiness of her relationship. I am pretty stingy when it comes to small expenses, like turning off lights and suspending unused TV streaming channels and that kind of thing. It's amazing how fast all that little stuff adds up.
ReplyDeleteSteve, some people must waste a fortune on rarely used or unused tv streaming services. Given how little power LED lights consume, I've converted my concern about leaving lights on to prematurely wearing them out.
DeleteIt is hard to spend money when you have spent a lifetime being careful with it. I often worry about running out even though that is unlikely. We use the central air and the heat but do try to be careful with it for environmental reasons.
ReplyDeleteIt is Pat, and the older you become, the harder it gets to spend money because you start to lack the energy and stamina to do wonderful things. I don't get people leaving lights on in rooms when they are not using the rooms.
DeleteI am always worried about the electric bill here and would let it be colder if it were not that I have many old cats. Last month's electric bill shocked me to my core, but I haven't changed my ways and turned the heat down. I can wear a coat in the house and wool socks but my poor old cats, how they'd suffer. So......until they are gone I will find a way. Our electric rates here have skyrocketed over the last five years. Double digit increases each year. Seems criminal. Being comfortable in one's own home is a good use of money.
ReplyDeleteStrayer, yes I read what you posted today. While our prices have risen, and some people complain they have risen dramatically, mine haven't. Some people just don't bother to look for better priced plans, and it is time consuming.
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